During the SCO vs Novell trial, last year, it was determined that Novell owned the copyrights to AT&T UNIX' source code and derivatives. Darl McBride, CEO of SCO speaking at the Novell vs SCO countertrial disagrees. He "stated that SCO holds the copyrights over UNIX", and that "many Linux contributors were originally UNIX developers. We have evidence System V is in Linux." He also, incredibly, stated that "Linux is a copy of UNIX, there is no difference [between them]."