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Commercial Linux distributor Novell announced at the VMworld 2007 trade show last week in San Francisco that it was working with VMware to make SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 10 work better with VMware's ESX Server hypervisor for X64 servers.

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Created by underthelinux 7 years 9 weeks ago
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windowsrefund

7 years 9 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago

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ENOUGH WITH THE NON-FREE **** ALREADY!

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windowsrefund

7 years 9 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago

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and now back to the topic of using

and now back to the topic of using a Free Software advocacy site to spread news about freedom-restricting software.....

Have any comments on that snotbutter?

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snotbutter

7 years 9 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago

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enough with the capslock already!

enough with the capslock already!

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underthelinux

7 years 9 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago

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Two Quotes: "...VM modifications

Two Quotes:
"...VM modifications for supporting ESX Server are being publicly previewd, and are available through Novell's SLES 10 beta program. (And presumably in openSUSE as well.) "

"In a related move last week, VMware said that it would be releasing the majority of a tools collection it calls the VMware Tools as open source software. It's part of a project called Open Virtual Machine Tools. "

1. I didn't realize there's a license fee for SLES10. I'm not in IT, and don't purchase those things.
2. Using OSS with proprietary/licensed (vmware with SLES10) is acceptable on this site (i'm fairly certain dave said that somewhere).
3. There's a partnership that the open-source community will benefit from.

If you have comments to be made regarding the validity of this submission, the least you could do is explain why you feel the way you do. You can then bury it appropriately. But no one appreciates your comments in their current form.

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windowsrefund

7 years 9 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago

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underthelinux, Must be nice

underthelinux,

Must be nice to sit on the fence, eh? That way, you don't have to burden yourself with things like conviction and informed opinions.

That doesn't cut it with all of us however. Regardless of your hype, I will continue to call a spade a spade until the admins of this site start doing their job and protecting our community from the advocacy efforts of those who seek to destroy Free Software.

You're welcome.

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Rastaman

7 years 9 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago

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Until last year, I was a regular

Until last year, I was a regular reader of newsforge, posting some comments, some links to new stories, etc.
Until that "open source" and "Linux OS" brainwashing got on my nerves.

And then I found fsdaily.com, and I thought, hey, here's a site for zealots like me, about really FREE software, not some enterprise bull in disguise.

I will be disappointed to find I was wrong.

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dave

7 years 9 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago

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Our stance on what is "free software

Our stance on what is "free software related":

http://www.fsdaily.com/about/en

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snotbutter

7 years 9 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago

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the community spreads the news

the community spreads the news by submitting and voting. i not vote this story. i not submit this story. i not spread this news. i don't like it but i dont yell (caps lock) at people. i just hit the bury button and maybe i comment to say why it no good

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Jimbob

7 years 9 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago

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I agree that this one is partly

I agree that this one is partly free software related because it is about what a company is doing with the Linux kernel and in this way it may be interesting to (part of) the free software community. That's what this site is for after all.

However, I don't think dave said it was "acceptable" to promote thee articles per se - he made it pretty clear he would not editorialize. He also made it clear that it is up to us (fsdaily users) to decide what to do with articles that are iffy. I think this one is iffy so I won't vote for it. Besides I just didn't find it interesting.

And I agree 100% with the last point you made. If someone is against an article they should let us know why so we can all be careful about voting for it. Many in the free software community are into free software because of the principles behind it but are not tech- or licensing-savvy enough to know when an article is iffy.

So everyone please be alert for articles that promote proprietary software and comment to let us all know why/how they do so, in order that we all learn from it.

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peacemaker

7 years 9 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago

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I'm a zealot too (a zealot in disguise

I'm a zealot too (a zealot in disguise - zealotry tends to scare people away). And, so far, I really think this is the site for me.

We just need to make sure any new users that come along don't get scared off by us yelling at each other over out differences in extremism.

I think that some zealots do a huge dis-service to freedom by being very negative toward people just because they don't understand the implications of using proprietary software.

I have everyones (software) freedom as one of my core goals and I know that advocacy requires tact and sensitivity. So I am cautious not to alienate people who just don't understand yet.

I hope all my brother and sister freedom zealots can understand this and think before attacking people who are just ignorant of the freedoms they are giving up when using proprietary software. In short, you catch more flies with honey.

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peacemaker

7 years 9 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago

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I agree with what underthelinux

I agree with what underthelinux and Jimbob have said below. Some of us are more freedom advocates than licensing and software experts. Please explain why this article promotes proprietary software and how this article should/would not be interesting to the free software community rather than just shouting that it is about non-free ****.

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Rastaman

7 years 9 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago

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Yes, but I think this is a huge

Yes, but I think this is a huge disservice for the community. New people coming to the free software world don't have yet the correct understanding of the core principles behind it. They don't grasp the real differences between "free" and "open source", "Gnu" and "Linux". They all seem like a bunch of cool buzzwords.

The problem is they assume it's a good choice for them, because they saw it on fsdaily, and it's "free software related", when actually it will hurt them later.

Wouldn't "restricted software related" be a more appropriate name ?

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dave

7 years 9 weeks 5 days 15 min ago

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So do your bit: submit and vote

So do your bit: submit and vote up the stories the community should know about and bury stories that shouldn't be here, commenting on them so people understand why.

I will do my bit and get rid of spam and completely unrelated items and continue to administer the rest of the site. If in doubt, though, I will defer to you and the rest of the community.

You (the community) might decide to keep/promote a story so people can learn from it. If not, you know what to do: don't vote, or hit the bury button.

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underthelinux

7 years 9 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago

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Jimbob, i agree. I didn't mean

Jimbob, i agree. I didn't mean to make it sound like Dave said "go ahead with non-free software", i meant more that he would let the community decide what was acceptable. Rastaman and windowsrefund have made it unapologetically clear that they don't like this - I don't particularly care about that. Someone liked it (there's 7 votes), so i'm going on that basis.

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underthelinux

7 years 9 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago

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I'll be the first to admit that

I'll be the first to admit that i know nothing about free vs non-free. In fact, i dont even know what the whole gplv3 thing is about. I'll be honest; i don't really care. I'm in it for the cool/$0 factor.

So berating my submission doesn't really help - it just discourages me from contributing to the SOCIAL site where i've been asked to submit. And i can assure you, there are a few noobs reading this site, seeing your attitude, and going away.

Sorry i just don't have the time to double-check everything (or anything) for compliance with a FOSS license.

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spikeb

7 years 9 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago

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you don't know free versus non-free

you don't know free versus non-free yet you're at a site called free software daily?

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mark

7 years 9 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago

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Hopefully, while he's here, he'll

Hopefully, while he's here, he'll learn a thing or two... hopefully.

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windowsrefund

7 years 9 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago

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Dave, Stop pushing your job

Dave,

Stop pushing your job onto the community already! We have pointed out the issues and yet you still post weak statements like "If in doubt, though, I will defer to you and the rest of the community."

Doubt? What's to doubt about an article that promotes NON-FREE software????

Here's a hint (once again); if the article promotes non-free software, it is an attack on our community and therefore, not appropriate for publication on a site that is intended to promote and advocate freedoms 0-3.

How much simpler do I need to make it?

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windowsrefund

7 years 9 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago

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underthelinux, So let me get

underthelinux,

So let me get this straight. You admit to know nothing about Free Software, GNU, and/or Freedoms 0-3, and yet you feel you are qualified to comment on my convictions?

Please do your homework first.

Thank you.

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C733tus

7 years 9 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago

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You just don't get it do you?!?!

You just don't get it do you?!?! It's not his job it's our job. Now get over it or go away. There are several ways to go about what you are trying to do and the way you are going about it is all wrong. Why don't you try explaining why a story shouldn't be here? Why don't you try helping people instead of being a nuisance and effectively spamming your POV all over the site. You seem to think you speak for the community but the community keeps voting you down.

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C733tus

7 years 9 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago

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And now you are attacking a guy

And now you are attacking a guy because he thought he was doing the right thing. Get over yourself. You have posted zero articles and a bunch of whingy complaints. Any chance you might try explaining why and how a story promotes proprietary software... I doubt it.

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dave

7 years 9 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago

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It is clear that windowsrefund

It is clear that windowsrefund doesn't understand how community driven sites work. I ask you all please to stop provoking community members who post irrelvant off topic or useless comments. If you don't agree with something someone says and it clear there is no resolving the issue please just vote down their comments. Now let's focus on making a welcoming community and not on arguing with each other.

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windowsrefund

7 years 9 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago

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c733tus, Your mission is clear

c733tus,

Your mission is clear and trust me, it will fail.

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greengrass

7 years 9 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago

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@ underthelinux: don't be discouraged

@ underthelinux: don't be discouraged to submit on this community driven site. The majority here understand how the system works. And hey, we can't all be licensing experts! Hopefully next time, if you accidently post something with a dubious license, the community will be more tactful and helpful in letting you know. :)